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emotevlog (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
Genius! brilliant idea, it wont be long until they stop using the triangle orientation and switch to the straight orientation for everything. Very good.
dyn4mic87 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
england stop being shit and use normal plugs
trident3b (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@fatallyflawed1947 my main emphasis is that we Brits keep postulating that the UK is the most advanced or safest etc. but it's not true, and I am trying to put that back into perspective. We Brits just keep barking around the place that our systems are the safest or best etc. I live on the continent and forever have to listen to my own people trying to tell the continentals how better wonderful & safe we are (like 500V exposed DC rail lines etc.). So I try to put things back into perspective.
trident3b (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
yes, you're right about that specific wording re star wiring a few posts below. Those are my words. The documents are still urging the UK to align with european standards, because they are safer. This is my emphasis. The real quote is for example: "Of key note is that 30 mA RCDs will be required for socket outlets used by ordinary persons and intended for general use. This will improve the level of protection against electrical shock in the UK to a level comparable to that in other EU countries"
fatallyflawed1947 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@trident3b There is nothing in the 17th Edition, or the currently proposed ammendments to it, which support your claim that the IET "are urging the UK to come in line with the safer and more modern star wiring as common on the continent."
trident3b (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@fatallyflawed1947 since you ask "where do I get that idea" etc. which contains a mild does of innuendo, I am quoting from The17th Edition of the IET Wiring Regulations 2008 document! eg:(selective)"Changes outlined in the revised standard include details of the alterations necessary to maintain technical alignment with European Harmonisation Documents"."This will improve the level of protection against electrical shock in the UK to a level comparable to that in other EU countries" That's where.
trident3b (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@fatallyflawed1947 believe it or not, I agree with you on that point. I have a totally different idea on solving this problem (of fat bulky UK plugs which is chiefly what his design addresses) and the design featured here would (I'm certain) not pass mainland Europe safety regulations either. D'accord. No one is saying that UK standards (at least I'm not) should be broken. I'm bitching about the UK standards per se and that my fellow countrymen act as if we had the best, and I just don't agree.
fatallyflawed1947 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@trident3b There you go again, it really does not matter what your opinion of the UK regulations and standards are, they exist and are fully enforceable. The issue is Mr Min Kyu Choi has chosen to ignore the requirements and designed a product which cannot be approved for sale. A number of award judges who should have known better got very excited about the design and made him a winner. Many people seem to think they cannot not live without one! But, it is just not going to reach the market.
trident3b (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@fatallyflawed1947 we're commenting on youtube here not around a table that is about to determine any new UK standards. I'm voicing an opinion like anyone else and wish to voice an opinion that suggests that there already better standards in existence. I'm also having a legitimate bash at those who think that the UK is so advanced in this regard. And it isn't. Big fat bulky fused plugs are only a UK and commonwealth standard, and stem from outdated circuit design.No other country has fused plugs
fatallyflawed1947 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)
@trident3b Getting down to the point, the simple fact is that UK plugs MUST be fitted with fuses, the fact that you wish otherwise has no bearing on reality, Plugs supplied in UK must also meet BS 1363, whatever you think. The end result is a device like "folding plug" cannot be approved because of its illegal fusing arrangement, and the "optional" nature of the method used (folding wings) in a vain attempt to meet the requirement that no part of a pin is closer to the periphery than 9.5mm. |